Ep. 6: Our Generous Community - Kids' Minds Matter and PhilanthropyLiving the Healthy Life Podcasts
Welcome to the Living the Healthy Life podcast, where we bring you the latest on health and wellness from the experts here at Lee Health. Discover what's happening at Lee Health and take away tips and inspiration to reach your ideal state of health. Hello everyone and welcome. My name is Brian Hubbard. I am the manager for marketing and brand management at Lee Health. With me as always is our co-host Carrie Bloemers. She is a registered dietician and she's also the director of education and navigation at the Healthy Life Center at Lee Health Coconut Point. Good afternoon, Carrie.
Carrie: Co-Host (00:40):
Good afternoon, everyone.
Thanks everyone out there for joining us. Today we are delighted to talk to Anne Frazier. Anne is the senior director of development at the Lee Health Foundation. She is here to talk about the foundation's overall mission for Lee Health and how the community can get involved in helping. Hello, Anne.
Anne: Guest (00:58):
Hi, Brian. Hi, Carrie. Good to be with you today.
How's it going?
Anne: Guest (01:00):
It's going great.
All right, Anne. Let's jump right in. A lot of people may have heard the term Lee Health Foundation and seen it in a lot of places with the branding that we have going on. What does the Lee Health Foundation do for Lee Health and the community?
Anne: Guest (01:15):
Well, you know, that's a really big question. I have to tell you we do quite a lot. The official statement I would say is that the Lee Health Foundation, we raise philanthropic dollars on behalf of Lee Health, and that includes Cape Coral Hospital, Gulf Coast Medical Center, HealthPark Medical Center, Lee Memorial Hospital, and Golisano Children's Hospital of Southwest Florida.
Anne: Guest (01:38):
The foundation provides financial support for many service areas, many of which you are very well familiar with, but I've got to mention some, like the Regional Cancer Center, Lee Health Coconut Point, Rehabilitation Hospital, Shipley Cardiothoracic Center, community health clinics and Golisano Children's Hospital specialty clinics that are in Port Charlotte and Naples as well as just various initiatives and special projects around our community.
That is a lot.
Anne: Guest (02:03):
It is a lot.
That is a lot.
Anne: Guest (02:03):
How do you guys manage all that? How do you divide it up? How does all that work?
Anne: Guest (02:10):
That's a great question too. Well, let me just kind of go back that as far as what we do for the community, it's really what the community has done for itself because it takes a lot of people giving all that they can to save lives. Since 1996 the Lee Health Foundation has helped by basically raising awareness about the need for donations and distributing much needed funds to ensure quality healthcare at Lee Health.
Anne: Guest (02:35):
We're just grateful for millions of dollars that have been raised and these donations are made every day from people giving what they can. It could be a child that's selling lemonade for 50 cents to a dollar that goes to Barbara's Friends or it can be those that create lasting legacy gifts by leaving us in their will. But most importantly, every gift comes from the heart and it goes to support lifesaving healthcare for the people and patients of Southwest Florida.
That's pretty amazing. One thing we know, and obviously it goes without saying after that, but this community is incredibly generous.
Anne: Guest (03:11):
Obviously I was going to ask you, I was going to say so you think this community's pretty generous. Obviously the answer is yes.
Anne: Guest (03:18):
Yes, I mean, definitely. I will say that the foundation does run into the fact that we have a lot of snowbirds and we have a lot of folks that this wasn't their original home. They still continue to have alliances and loves back north and in other parts of the country, but what we have found is that the more people spend time here, and they realize this is my community too and I want to give. I can still give back in Ohio.
Anne: Guest (03:42):
I can still give back in Chicago, but maybe I also want to give to my local home and to the community services that are right down the road that benefit me and my family or just basically benefit the community I live in now. It's really nice. We kind of make those relationships and I always look at my role as a connector, so if I can connect people to their passions and the things that they feel really, really good about or really strong about, and they see the difference they are making, they are seeing the impact, then we've done our job.
It's pretty inspiring just to listen to her talk about it. It's like I'm excited now.
Carrie: Co-Host (04:18):
It is. Yes, it is.
How many people, first of all, are on the foundation team?
Anne: Guest (04:23):
Oh, that's a great question. I think we're about 21 right now, 21 foundation team members. We are hoping to grow. We actually have a couple positions out there right now that we're looking to fill and hopefully we'll continue to grow.
You guys are in the community basically, I would think, every day, going to functions, going to just meet people where they are and just sort of talk to them about what their needs are basically.
Anne: Guest (04:48):
Yeah. It's a lot of that. Like I said, going back to being a connector, you've got to be present and you have to be able to communicate the Lee Health mission and story and the needs. Again, it goes back to those relationships, meeting folks that are interested in making a difference in the community that they live, and trying to help connect them to causes or passions that they feel good about.
Not to bring the podcast into this, but it's one of the things, what you're talking about is a side of the healthcare field, a side of what Lee Health does that many people may not be as familiar with. When you think of healthcare you think immediately of hospital care and patients and things like that, and of course that's the primary function, but there's all these things that are going on behind the scenes.
Anne: Guest (05:41):
Yeah, absolutely, and we are so vast. I would say we go much deeper than that. We go into diversity and inclusion. We go into communities that have the highest need. We're helping patients from children to adults. Actually I should say infancy to adults that just need a whole myriad of services and support, whether it's support on our campus or support in their home and their daily lives, and we are trying to blanket healthcare in a way that is really holistic.
Carrie: Co-Host (06:15):
So you're wrapping around really.
When you talk, and we say this a lot, when people come and they talk to us about what they do, you can feel the passion that they have. It's very obvious just listening to some of the things that you're saying. Tell us a little bit about yourself, if you don't mind, about how you kind of got into this work, how you made your way to Lee Health, all that kind of stuff.
Anne: Guest (06:36):
Sure. Well, let's see, I will basically say I've always been a very altruistic person, I guess, which it makes sense why I've always been in non-profit work. Any test I've ever taken they always say oh, you have very high altruistic tendencies. I'm like I guess I do because I actually started my career in art, but got into the non-profit world, so I feel emotion quite a bit. I was the daughter of two bankers.
Anne: Guest (07:09):
I had a very business side as well, but I always connected with people and causes, and I love just bringing things to life and helping people and meet them where they are. Like I said, I started in non-profit, but I started originally in the arts and that evolved, and from there I did a stint as the president/CEO of The Boys & Girls Clubs of Virginia. When I left Virginia, that's when I came to Southwest Florida and I worked for several non-profits, an international non-profit, and made my way actually six years ago almost to the week, I'm coming up on my sixth year, actually, at Lee Health.
There you go. Congrats.
Carrie: Co-Host (07:51):
Wow. Happy anniversary.
Anne: Guest (07:54):
Thank you, thank you, but I have to say I always felt very strongly about people and helping people and causes, and healthcare is one of those things that touches everyone, and to me it's a basic need. You've got to have the best quality care and having that right care at the right time at the right place, we all know is that magic recipe that really makes a difference. I just feel good knowing what I'm able to contribute to every day, whether it's just connecting people to causes, sharing the information, connecting people to the right services or care. It doesn't matter if my role says that I'm trying to raise money or not. It's about helping people, and I just feel really blessed to be a part of the Lee Health team.
Carrie: Co-Host (08:41):
Yeah, and we're fortunate to have you.
Anne: Guest (08:43):
Yeah. We hear a lot about everyone we talk to is happy to be a part of that mission to help the community. That seems to be the common thread for everyone. One of the things that I know about the Lee Health Foundation is something called Kids' Minds Matter. We know that's a big initiative for you and your group. Can you tell us a little bit about that and your role in it?
Anne: Guest (09:03):
Let me just say Kids' Minds Matter is actually an initiative of Lee Health. It's dedicated to raising awareness about the need for pediatric mental and behavioral healthcare services and to raise funds required to make those services available in the region through Golisano Children's Hospital and Lee Health, so definitely an initiative, so it's managed by the Lee Health Foundation. The vision is to ensure that children receive the right care at the right time in the right place and making that full continuum of services available in our region. My role is really the foundation liaison to Kids' Minds Matter. I have the privilege, really, of working with dedicated donors and advocates and volunteers and supporters to help raise those much needed funds.
We know this is more of a clinical question but it's something that we've talked about before. It seems, and please correct me if I'm wrong, it seems like there is more of a need for pediatric mental health. As more people, especially in the last few years, as more people get comfortable talking about mental health, the problems that come with it, the conversations are loosening up a little bit. Are you finding that to be true?
Anne: Guest (10:12):
Absolutely, absolutely, Brian. You know, when we started Kids' Minds Matter about six years ago or so now, it was still one of those things that we were having to kind of beat the bushes and knock on doors and say hey, please, be comfortable enough to have this dialog about mental health. It was amazing to see what happened because, and I don't know about you but I'll just say in my own personal life, mental illness, mental health runs in a lot of people's families, but no one ever talked about it.
Anne: Guest (10:42):
It was amazing, but we would start with these just information sessions and just invite people and say we want to have a conversation, and as we would do these talks and we'd go around from Kiwanis to Rotary to just hosting our own events, to homes and on bigger stages, how people started to come up afterwards and say, "Thank you for having this conversation. I dealt with my own mental health issues," or "my child," or "my mother," or someone in the family, and it was so therapeutic and healing for them to talk about it and to begin to give back, and you saw that connection. I think as we just got more comfortable talking about it, it was really helpful and then let's kind of fast forward to COVID.
Anne: Guest (11:28):
COVID hits, 2020, and then you saw the mental health needs just go through the roof and we saw it at Golisano Children's Hospital. We saw it with the Pediatric Baker Act split from let's see, February of 2020, so remember right before COVID hit. That was March of 2020. We had two Pediatric Baker Acts come for the entire month, and then you fast forward, and I think our height, I want to say was about May of 2021, where we had about 196 in one month. Now just too, for the audience now, remember that the Baker Act is basically that law that says if you are deemed to be found a harm to yourself or others, so meaning you want to harm yourself or maybe be harmful to others in your household or around, that a doctor or mental health professional or law enforcement can put you under observation for up to 72 hours.
Anne: Guest (12:27):
Golisano Children's Hospital is not a Baker Act receiving facility, so for us to be getting all of these Baker Acts into our hospital means our Baker Act receiving facilities were overrun and we were doing the best we could to provide care and treatment for these children. Again, we are working on this issue. We have seen it level off a little bit, but it's still something that is very, very prominent and as our Dr. Simeone, who leads our VP of mental health here at Lee Health, this is something we're going to see for generations to come, just that ripple effect of COVID and what our families and our children have been through.
Anne: Guest (13:13):
I just want to circle this back because I think it's important when you talk about the impact that someone has had in their own life, I want to tell the story of Kids' Minds Matter's co-founders because I think it's really important to kind of share with our audience that this idea didn't originate so much from Lee Health. I mean, yes, it was something that we had been kicking around, but it really got momentum thanks to community networks, so Kids' Minds Matter was really kicked off and started by our co-founders, Scott Spiezle and Susan Goldy. For Susan and Scott this was a personal connection.
Anne: Guest (13:53):
Scott's daughter was in elementary school and middle school when she was first showing suicidal tendencies and it wasn't until they saw a foremost expert in pediatric mental ill at CHOP, the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, where they were living at the time, that she finally received the diagnosis and treatment she needed for her illness. They say without proper care and services she may not be here today, and this is really telling because on average we know from a time a child first shows symptoms, anxiety, depression, eating disorder, whatever it may be, it takes on average eight to 10 years from the time symptoms appear to the time they first receive that diagnosis.
Anne: Guest (14:41):
Eight to 10 years, think about it. If you're eight years old and it's taken eight to 10 years, by then you're an adult. We've lost you. You might be out of the system, and sadly a lot of children, if they don't receive the services that they need early on, so we're talking about making sure they've seen a psychologist, a psychiatrist, just coping mechanisms. It could be a couple sessions to a year long. It may mean medication, it may not, but it's important to know if we don't do something early and have that preventative measure in place, things are typically going to get a lot worse and that's typically where we see the worst things like death by suicide or we see turning to alcohol or drugs and other issues.
Anne: Guest (15:25):
It's really, really important that we take care of this early on. Going back to Scott and Susan, when they moved to Florida, about eight years ago or so now, they wanted to get involved in the community and they met folks at Golisano Children's Hospital and they were taken on a tour. This was at the time when we were still working on building our now five year old Golisano Children's Hospital. They were taken on a tour, a hard hat and everything, and they asked Dr. [Salman 00:15:54], "Now that you have this great hospital coming up, what's going to be your next greatest need?" He replied immediately and he said, with a sense of urgency I mind you, "We need a strong pediatric mental health program."
Anne: Guest (16:09):
We estimate there are about 280,000 kids living in Southwest Florida, and that's about one in five of those ages three to 18, will experience a serious mental health illness, and when Scott and Susan discovered the lack of services for children and families here, they just basically dropped everything. They said this is something we know. We have personal experience. We've got to get involved. They really worked with Lee Health Foundation and that's how we started Kids' Minds Matter, initially as a fundraising vehicle, but then it got so much more involved, more as a movement, so now we look at ourselves as a regional movement to again, proving that access to care for families and providing that framework to connect community partners.
That's amazing. That's an amazing story.
Carrie: Co-Host (16:57):
It is, and you know, you talk about COVID as you fast forward again, and even maybe new initiatives that launched since then, and then looking at, as you're talking about the connector piece, one thing that we're aware of is some of the resources that Kids' Minds Matter can help connect families with. Are you able to share a little there about what they can do?
Anne: Guest (17:21):
Yeah, absolutely. The first thing I would do is I would tell our audience to go to our website, so it's kidsmindsmatter.com. Go to that kidsmindsmatter.com website and from there you will see a lot of different resources. We have things such as blogs. We have done something that we started actually within a month or two after the pandemic hit where we have Mental Health Mondays, so we've recorded those Mental Health Mondays. They were Facebook live broadcasts. We had several different folks and leaders from the community and partners that came and did everything from yoga to parenting skills and more, but we have put those Mental Health Mondays online, so there's a great library, a resource library now that you can go to.
Anne: Guest (18:11):
We have various blogs. We offer lots of classes, so we do Mental Health First Aid for youth, and again this is something that's all free, and I want the mention that it's free because Kids' Minds Matter has been raising the funds to help make this free for our community. If you have a child in your life, and even if you don't, I'm just going to say that I myself has taken the Youth Mental Health First Aid. It is excellent. I do not have children of my own, but I look at myself as a neighbor. I'm Auntie Anne.
Anne: Guest (18:43):
I have teenagers or kids in my life, or cousins that I'm involved with or my friends' children, and they may need someone other than their parent to talk to. You never know when you may be the person if you rise to that occasion and be the person that can lend that voice and be someone they could listen to. The Youth Mental Health First Aid is an excellent course. We do it online and in person, but we have that online for folks to sign up for. We have Parenting the Exceptional Child, Dignified Discipline classes, all kinds of great resources on our website that families can go to to just find out more. These classes, as I mentioned, they are free thanks to the support of the community and our donors to Kids' Minds Matter.
That's pretty amazing because it takes, like you said, this is not just a Lee Health mission. This is a community thing that we all are involved with.
Carrie: Co-Host (19:33):
Even that title, if you break it down, youth, mental health, and first aid, and we think of first aid and like oh, I got to cut a new bandaid, put the gloves on, wash it out. This is that same type of formula for those maybe early signs or someone coming to you, like a child with concerns, and helps that adult in their life have some framework of what to say, because these are tough conversations, right? These aren't just easy things where we all have the experience and that we're trained for. This kind of gives people a toolbox or a tool kit of what they can say, where to go next, those resources, so that's an amazing program, and we've been aware of it because we've posted some of the groups in the past prior to COVID. But yeah, that's an amazing program that you guys offer.
Anne: Guest (20:24):
Yeah. I think it's great, and I will just mention out there we're talking about children right now, but there's also the Adult Mental Health First Aid, so I again, have taken that as well. I highly recommend it. Just as any of us could benefit learning basic CPR and the Heimlich Maneuver, because you never know, same thing. Adult Mental Health First Aid, Youth Mental Health First Aid, go out and just make yourself a better human, so be aware.
Carrie: Co-Host (20:50):
Right, and really after the pandemic, Lee Health did have an initiative where all of our leaders had a condensed workshop of the Adult Mental Health First Aid, because it's ourselves, it's our teams, it's our neighbors, and COVID had stirred so much up for so many of us. It was a great tool that we worked with.
Again, if anything good came of COVID it was the fact that mental health became easier to talk about with everyone, adults and children alike. It's amazing, what you're describing, the amount of resources. But when you say something like that, it reminds me of how many people must be involved in all of this. It's not just your staff. I know you probably have a pretty good, let's say supply, a good supply of volunteers. Can you tell us a little bit about volunteers and some of really just anything that might have to do with community involvement?
Anne: Guest (21:46):
Sure, absolutely. We're really blessed to have, I call them my Kids' Minds Matter champions, but they're really our Kids' Minds Matter advisory board, and these are all volunteers in the community that are really helping us around the fundraising aspect and giving some guidance, but we also have some wonderful partners on the clinical side, obviously Dr. Paul Simeone and Lauren Walker. They are doing a lot of great work through the Healthy Lee initiative and other aspects where we are putting together mental health conferences and mental health fairs once a year, bringing providers in the area together because really prior to this, they weren't talking to each other as much. It's one thing to do thing in silos, but when we were doing things together and we're learning like oh, you take insurance or you don't, or you specialize in eating disorders, but maybe this group doesn't, but just connecting the dots is so important.
Carrie: Co-Host (22:44):
Because it can be overwhelming at first, right? If you don't know where to go or what to do, you don't know what to look for, there's going to be so much information online that maybe you're not sure what to click on and what not to.
Carrie: Co-Host (22:54):
Yeah, and prior to getting started you mentioned, I think, navigators?
Anne: Guest (22:59):
Yeah, so that is one of my favorite programs that Kids' Minds Matter has really helped to stand up, and I just get so tickled with it. The Kids' Minds Matter Mental Health Navigation Program, let me just kind of go back and share a little story with that. When we were meeting with the school systems, because as you know, our school systems, they see all of our kids and they have their finger on the pulse, and Dr. Paul Simeone, again who I've mentioned several times, but our incredible VP of mental health here at Lee Health.
Anne: Guest (23:30):
He sat down with Lori Brooks in Fort Myers for Lee County Public Schools System and asked her if there was one thing that we could do to help you all what can we do to help support you and your needs? She said we really need mental health navigation. Light bulb goes off, aha, because Richard Keelan, who is on our child advocacy department and Dr. Simeone, they've had experience working up north with a type of mental health navigation program. I want to mention that these are evidence based programs, but was this happening in Southwest Florida? No. It wasn't happening in Florida. We did a search. We could not find any mental health navigation happening in Florida, so we started working with them and we started, thanks to Kids' Minds Matter, who would help basically fund this, because these are programs and services that we can't bill through insurance.
Anne: Guest (24:30):
I mean, no one's paying for this but we have to have a dedicated person who is doing this work, and so we have funded the salaries for these mental health navigators. I want to say we started with two right before the pandemic started, and I will say we are now up to seven navigators, and these navigators, let me just tell you a little bit about them. These are folks that have to have lived experience, and that's a really important key. When you look at are you qualified to do this work, well, one of the things that qualifies you is have you had experience navigating the healthcare system for your own child or a family member, because that gives you also credibility with the family that you're working with.
Carrie: Co-Host (25:20):
And sure, empathy.
Anne: Guest (25:21):
Absolutely, absolutely, so again, funded fully by philanthropy, each navigator, they have their experience with mental health, but they have also gone through those bureaucratic obstacles, so they get it, going back to the empathy. They help families deal with the challenges they might experience finding and receiving appropriate resources for the child and family, but let me go back. How do we get these children and families? The school systems, Collier County Public Schools, Lee County Public Schools, they refer the children to Golisano Children's Hospital, Kids' Minds Matter, Mental Health Navigators, so it's not something that our audience might hear oh, I need a navigator for my neighbor or my child. We have to get that referral through the school system, so they've kind of vetted.
Anne: Guest (26:12):
What the school system had said was we've got basically a certain population of students that we've just tried everything. We've exhausted all of our resources. They're taking up over 80% of our resources. We just can't do anything else as a school system. Our navigators can come and then take those high acuity students. They can do so much more, and what they do is they walk with the family. We like to say we're not doing the work for them, but we're giving them the confidence they need to advocate for themselves, to find additional resources.
Anne: Guest (26:48):
We're working with community partners and looking at what's really going on with the family. The navigators have that luxury of maybe going into the home and talking to the family and saying what do you need, and not saying oh, you need to do this. We come up with a real care plan and it may mean that when they go into the home they realize wait, this isn't a stable home environment. They may be living with an abusive spouse, or it could be that they don't have stability at home. They're couch surfing, they could be homeless.
Anne: Guest (27:20):
Mom and Dad may have lost their job from the pandemic, a myriad of issues, and so what we do is we really help connect them to maybe community services and other resources to help stand them up and get them more stable because you cannot address a mental health issue if there's food insecurity happening or if there's an unsafe home environment. What I will say, and this is why I'm just so proud of the program, is that what we've seen as we started this program and worked with these families, how we measure, as an evidence based program, we measure by grades, attendance in school and behavior, and we have seen marked improvement with our students up to two letter grades, increased attendance. I have some great stories if you all would care to indulge me. I've got a couple.
We have a few minutes left. I was just going to ask you, not to wind you up and kick you out, but just we have a few minutes left, so yes, I was going to ask you if there was anything else, because it's just such a huge initiative and we'd love to have you back to talk because we know that the foundation, there's so many things that we can do. But yes, we'll close it out with a couple of success stories. I think that would be great.
Anne: Guest (28:35):
Okay, well, I'll just share one with you real quick. I talked about the parent support group a little bit earlier, and so we've got this one mom who joined our parent support group while her daughter was enrolled with the Mental Health Navigation program back in 2021. She joined the support group virtually every week because remember, this is more of a virtual time, while driving to pick up the children from school, and during the check in process that they do at the beginning of each meeting, participants are asked to mention something they are grateful for.
Anne: Guest (29:08):
This mom faithfully tells the group that she is just so grateful for the parent support group because it's the only part of her week that she actually looks forward to, and during those one hour weekly sessions, she feels like her and the other participants, they get to share these experiences, the frustrations, laughter, as they continue to create these meaningful bonds around their experience of motherhood. Our mom here and her family graduated from a mental health program later in 2021 after her daughter displayed a long period of improvement with her behavior at school and at home.
Anne: Guest (29:44):
I just love this quote because she says, "This is the only part of my week that I look forward to," and it's just so important that she still, even though her child's graduated from the Mental Health Navigation program, she still participates in the support group because of the valuable information and the ongoing support she receives from these other parents. We're all out there hurting, we all have something going on. We all need support. Find your tribe, find your people, and if we can be there for one another, that's how we're going to solve and help stand up mental health services.
I love that.
Carrie: Co-Host (30:16):
It's the true human connection of us all.
I love that. What a great sentiment, just in life. It's amazing, especially with what we know, the divisions and things that are in our world and will continue to be in our world, but that about sums up the need. Thank you so much.
Anne: Guest (30:34):
Anne, it's been just an absolute pleasure having you. I want to make sure that we remember kidsmindsmatter.com.
Anne: Guest (30:42):
And leehealthfoundation.org. If you want any other information on the foundation as a whole, really, you can go to that second one, leehealthfoundation, all one word, dot org. Anne, what have missed that you can share, one more? Is there any parting words of wisdom?
Carrie: Co-Host (31:02):
Anything that you want to leave us with?
Anne: Guest (31:02):
I would not be a good fundraiser if I did not throw it out there and just tell our audience that if you are passionate about this work, if you have your own story, or if you would like to help advance the work of Kids' Minds Matter, please again, go to our website. You can be an advocate. We've got a great little tab on the website where you can be an advocate. You can help us lobby for additional change and support. You can order a t-shirt where the proceeds go back to supporting Kids' Minds Matter, but also kind of shows that you're an advocate and you could help open that conversation with others in the community.
Anne: Guest (31:36):
You can contact me at the Lee Health Foundation or through Kids' Minds Matter. We've got a great info at Kids' Minds Matter that you can email, and if maybe you want to host a community meeting, whether it's just with your neighbors just to have this conversation, talk about, educate folks, if you're involved with a women's group or a Kiwanis Club, or other organization that might want to learn more about the state of mental health in Southwest Florida, we love just to educate and share the work that we're doing. But as always, please, if you can, make a donation, so it keeps us going.
That's fantastic. Thank you so much, Anne. We appreciate your time and appreciate everything the foundation does.
Carrie: Co-Host (32:19):
Yeah. Thank you, Anne.
Once again, kidsmindsmatter.com, leehealthfoundation.org. We hope you'll tune back in for upcoming episodes. We will be interviewing experts around Lee Health so you can learn more about what we do and how we strive every day to fulfill our mission to the community to provide the best care close to home. Thanks for listening, everyone. Have a great day.